Behind the Mic: a bonus ep spilling the secrets of making The Imposter Club with Kimberly & Exec Producer Rosie Turner

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hello.

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And welcome to a special bonus episode of the imposter club.

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I'm Kimberly Godbolt, creator, and host of this straight talking podcast.

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And I have loved every minute bringing you this first series.

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I'm taking a little break before series two.

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So I thought this was the perfect opportunity to reflect on what we've taken away from these first eight, surprising and overwhelmingly honest conversations.

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So here is a fun and relaxed episode.

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Where you get to sneak behind the mic with us, us being me and my partner at Talented People.

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Rosie Turner.

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Who is also Exec producer of this podcast.

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We're talking about why we made it.

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Would it almost was before the imposter club.

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And some of the moments that really hit home during my chats.

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Enjoy a slightly different episode.

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Rosie, hello.

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You are so thrilled to be behind the microphone, aren't you?

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So thrilled.

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Hi.

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It's always where I wanna be.

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I've not been wheeled out, screaming, kicking

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I just thought it'd be nice for us to have a little chat.

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I'll just sneaky put the record button on as you may gather, it's me that tends to be the talker on cameras and behind microphones, and Rosie does all of

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So, um, yes, I forced her out.

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How are you feeling on a scale of one to complete imposter?

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Probably eight if 10 is full imposter.

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But then I always sort of hover around a seven and eight.

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Imposter syndrome is very me, in a way that I always say to you that I don't think it's you, even though you may have had imposter moments along the way.

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I'm a full fledged imposter syndrome sufferer, which is why I'm behind the scenes and not appearing on camera or really on panels or anything like that, cuz

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I just.

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The imposter and me would be screaming to get off the stage, get off the camera at all

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times?

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this is very relevant, isn't it?

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Maybe this is all fed into how we came up with the imposter club hook.

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Possibly.

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Possibly, yes.

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I mean, we, we talked about many different things before we got to this, didn't we?

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Whilst swamped with our day job of actually staffing the millions of productions.

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We were always sort of like chatting in the background about what else, how else could we help the industry.

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And like just do a bit more than just the staffing.

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that's always been in us somewhere.

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do you remember when Covid hit and I was convinced that, well, we, we were both panicking.

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Obviously the whole world was panicking, but I was convinced we had to do something on Facebook live, on social media, just something for all these people sitting around.

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And actually, I think that.

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Is like the only time we've ever been really at odds about what we are doing.

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Do you remember that?

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I remember being quite emotional because we were all like heightened emotion based on what does this mean for the business?

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What does it mean, does this mean for our families?

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But then I was like, we have to get on this, this platform and talk about something.

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And because you, you are more of a perfectionist, I think, than me.

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I know you were like, but what is it?

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What is it?

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Yes.

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, I worry in a way that you are very happy to be.

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Just you in the moment and live and whatever happens, happens.

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I am a perfectionist.

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My first instinct was, oh, that could be a bad idea for us.

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What if, we say the wrong thing or we do the wrong thing?

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We are good at challenging each other actually like that, aren't we?

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And I remember in that particular situation, I think I was just quite, I was so passionate about it.

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I was like, It will be fine.

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I'm just gonna do it.

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And then you, we can pull it if it's awful or if it's wrong.

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And then you are on board and then you were like championing more than anyone.

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But that made me wonder then how you felt when, the podcast started gathering momentum, how did you feel then about getting it perfect or getting it right at that point?

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So I think I don't know about you.

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I didn't feel ready until we got to the point where it was like, it's the Imposter Club Cause it's just That hook that allows you to delve deep into somebody's life and all the things along the

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it's just that it's the story finding.

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So when we found that actual hook, I felt much more comfortable.

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Ready to go?

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because actually I've just remembered there were two iterations of this before we landed on the Imposter Club one, and that we're talking like a year plus ago, that we wanted to do this.

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One was, I wanted to call it, um, me and TV or TV and me,

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yes.

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I didn't like that one so much.

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nah, you weren't a fan.

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I was gonna chart people's careers and opinions on stuff through what they liked watching on TV over their, their life.

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So as a kid, How, you know, where was the TV in their house?

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I'm just chucking o other people podcast ideas.

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Now, uh, where was the TV in their house?

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How was it a ritual?

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Every Sunday night, like I remember it being Lovejoy on a Sunday night while we were eating dinner on our kitchen.

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Tele things that kind of felt nostalgic through to what they watch now or what they make now.

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You weren't a big fan of that.

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We got really busy.

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Didn't happen.

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It was also quite, maybe quite niche, quite quite labor heavy probably with the research.

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And then 'Making It', so making it, I mean I still, still give ourselves credit for an awesome title because it was making it as in your career, but also a production.

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That was where we were going to just take us one specific program, short film, documentary entertainment show, and speak to the makers about how they actually made that one thing.

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And I think we were quite sold on that for a while.

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We got quite

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Yeah, because that also go, goes back to one of the TP lives that we did about the making of hospital.

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So we'd sort of done a mini version of it and it was really, really good and really

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interesting.

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Definitely.

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We just felt all of a sudden that perhaps it was too small a theme and perhaps you wouldn't come and listen to that, that episode that was about a, a show that you didn't care about or

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And a, a big life, subject like imposter syndrome, like, , challenges and failure, but in the world of TV and, and creative industries.

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But I have to give a shout out here to the very awesome James Bishop, of One Fine Play and Matt Cheney who were, our consultants on the podcast.

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, in the early days who were holding me back, like I had, I had Rosie also going, not yet, it's not quite there, James and Matt going, what exactly is it?

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Who is your audience?

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are you gonna market this?

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And I'm there chomping at the bit going, but I just wanna start it.

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And they were absolutely amazing at helping me to shape it and to really hone what exactly it is.

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And of course it's still a work in progress.

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Oh my goodness.

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It's such a massive learning curve and there's so much we could do with it and that's why it's really exciting to be able to talk so freely to you like this.

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You did go on a proper

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podcast bootcamp, didn't you?

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Like it was full on.

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I'm not sure you even realized

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what you're getting yourself

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I did not, I definitely questioned it the sort of the day before it was supposed to start and went, oh, so it's.

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Three sessions a week plus homework, ah, around my day job and the juggle of family life.

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I, I genuinely remember the Monday night session.

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I was always cooking for heaters at the same time.

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So it was, it is my day where I'm on pickup and I have to sort of fudge the three 30 to 5 36 ish bit, with various, activities going

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And it always turned out to be fajita night cause it's just quick and easy.

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And I was on calls with James and Matt and the cohort going on about, you know, what is our unique lens?

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You know, why, why are we qualified as a host to do this?

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And I'd be piping up unmuting myself whilst like stirring the onions and peppers in the pan and max and Poppy in the background going, Mummy, is it ready yet?

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And I'm trying to think

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That just to me, that's just hell for me.

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My brain does not work like that.

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I cannot do multiple things at once like that.

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There's a lot of gymnastics that was going on in my head at that point.

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I went through that creative cycle.

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I can't remember it.

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Somebody shared the meme of it, um, in a group recently, and it was something like, number one, I'm quite good at this.

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Number two, ooh, this is quite hard.

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Number three, this is impossible.

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I am awful and terrible at all of this.

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Number four, it's never going to work ever again.

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Number five, I'm think I'm getting the hang of it.

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Number six, I'm awesome again.

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And I was somewhere between like three and four at all times for those five weeks.

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Right.

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. Kimberly: So when it went from making it to, stay in your niche, but make the themes universal.

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And I suddenly had the, oh my God, everyone's talking about imposter syndrome.

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Maybe that's it moment.

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I remember like nervously pitching it firstly to the podcast boot camp actually.

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And everyone went quiet and the fa fajitas must have stopped sizzling at that point.

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And I remember James, who can be pretty direct going, that's fucking awesome.

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That's it.

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You've got it.

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And I was like, oh, thank God.

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Oh, it's so much relief.

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But then I remember I hadn't spoken to you about it yet, and I thought, what if Rosie hates it?

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Oh, and because we'd gone through so many different iterations of it, I thought, I will be so upset if you don't like it, because it's a bit of a risk as well.

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We're talking about approaching people, saying Hi is a really successful person who runs a company or a streamer or a channel or a, you know, directs important programs.

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, you must have felt like an imposter at some point.

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I mean, probably quite easy to offend some people by saying that,

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Especially some of the egos that exist in the TV world,

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I'd say.

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Do you remember what you said when I pitched it to you or what your kind of reaction

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was?

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I think I was just like, yes, that's it That's it.

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I remember you saying I love it.

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I thought that's it.

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My work is done.

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I haven't recorded an episode, but I'm done.

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yep,

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so I wanna talk about how Olly Lambert our guest in the first episode was really integral to the format and the, the, the subject matter, um, of the Imposter Club

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So when I approached Olly, the podcast was still making it because I really wanted to talk to him about his Ukraine doc, this really amazing film that he shot on the front line in Ukraine.

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And so I'd kind of.

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Pre-booked him, kind of penciled him as a guest for making it, you know, two weeks down the line.

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Whilst everyone was trying to rein me back in from starting too soon.

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And then when we had the idea for the Imposter club, I had to ring him up and go, Olly, how would you feel if this was the overarching theme?

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Thinking this is a terrible idea now because he's won Emmy's, BAFTAs, RTS awards, all sorts.

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He's got like three pages of awards on his website.

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And he said, that is such a good idea because I am racked with imposter syndrome.

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And honestly, he could have floored me.

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I couldn't believe

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it.

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And I mean, I know he's one of your favorite ep, isn't he?

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Rosie?

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Oh, he is.

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But as you are saying there, I'm just thinking, I mean, it was so unlikely that that's how he was going to respond.

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I mean, when did I start talent?

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Probably actually now it's going, it's going up like 18, 19 years ago.

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I've known Holly's name all of those years.

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Say someone that to me has kind of always been in a bit of a pedestal in my head, like one of the absolute directors that you can just never gonna book.

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You're never gonna work on anything that's gonna be enough roll.

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Like that's absolute nonsense after speaking to me.

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Know that bit more now.

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But he is just, his work is brilliant.

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The docs that he's worked on are absolutely brilliant.

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So for him to then say, actually this is me.

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I have imposter syndrome.

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The things that he was saying to you as well, about the kind of projects that he actually picks, he like pushes himself to find the absolute limits of a subject matter.

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And he goes and dives into it and then he pushes himself to breaking point on each project.

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And you know, he told us all of the emotion that he feels and that he, you know, he cries in the morning before he goes and shoots things.

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And he's totally racked with self-doubt all the time.

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And yet, He's a won all of these awards.

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He's a brilliant, brilliant director.

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Everyone knows it, so it's just, it's a really, it's a, it's a brilliant opener for the series.

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For me,

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I loved him.

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Yeah.

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I I was so privileged

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for him to talk so candidly like that.

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I mean, as with all of our guests, to be honest.

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But you're right, it was actually pretty fluky that the person, the one person I had sort of pencil booked for this slightly different other format was so up for talking about

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That it's what made us go, this is it for sure.

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Like let's, let's go for it.

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There's a thing that I was wondering about though he admitted, you know, that he'd gone to a sort of really dark place at one point in his career, considered leaving the industry.

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Did you feel then, oh God, what am I doing here?

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I'm getting more out of these people than I ever expected.

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did you feel a bit nervous?

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did feel the pressure of

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it.

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I thought,

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okay, yes, this is going to places that

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I didn't realize.

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You're right.

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Um, it made me think harder actually about our show notes.

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And actually we should be putting resources for people who identify with the themes in our show notes and talking where relevant about where people can seek help because,

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But it never really set out as that, to be honest, because there was always going to be light and shade.

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That's really important in any content making, isn't it?

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You know, in Stu Richards episode is a great example of, of light.

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But actually I didn't feel nervous about it.

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I felt strangely comfortable in that situation because , the old director in me has come out through this series and I get so immersed in that person's story that nothing else matters.

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Actually, the kids could come home from school and start hammering on the door, and I probably wouldn't notice because I'm so sucked into.

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The story at that point.

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And also doing right by them though.

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And actually, I do feel a, a real duty of care now, around the people that we've had on who've talked very emotionally about the difficult moments in their career and checking in on them.

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You know, this is, it's a bit like making a documentary and, and sticking it out there for people to watch.

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You wouldn't, I, as a program maker, would never then just abandon those contributors.

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So it's really important that I'm keeping up with him and I'm, messaged them, frequently.

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Episode two then Fatima.

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Yes,

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Fatima's episode was very different in a way, but equally as open, wasn't it?

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It really was, uh, for me, the, the big difference that stood out to me straight away, where OIE, I think has full blown imposter syndrome.

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I didn't feel that from Fatima.

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I felt that Fatima had felt like an actual imposter all the way through from being in school to starting her career in tv.

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She didn't feel like she fit in or belonged.

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She really let you into how she's felt through her career and it was a really emotional episode and I think that a lot of people that listened to

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Cause she's a really strong character, really strong woman.

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She's fought through all of that, you know, that sat with her from

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childhood and she talked about, you Switching between the different versions of Fatima, you know, Fatima at home, Fatima at

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work, and the danger of sort of bringing Work Fatima home as well, which is very easy

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for all of us to do.

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That was the bit, that really stuck with me, that I go home and I don't like the person that I am because I'm still in w work, tough work mode, shouting at my kids and I, yeah,

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I've been there.

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It's not

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yeah.

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Oh, I'm sure a lot of people have.

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One thing that really stood out for me in her episode was when she was called about the executive chair Edinburgh position, and she didn't believe it.

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She thought that they'd made a mistake, , and actually questioned them about it.

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Like, of course she was good enough and the right person for that job, but even after all of these years and all of the experience she has, and

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away, she still wasn't sure if she was the right person.

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Yeah, she is the sort of anti imposter came on saying, I am not that person.

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I've had, I have issue with that term.

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And, you know, that's okay.

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And, and the way she articulated that was, um, very, very moving.

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And also her name, Fatima Salaria, I mean, she's one of these sort of names.

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Even if you don't know her, you feel like you do because she's held such important roles at places like the BBC and at Channel four and then running production companies.

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It's, you would never have thought.

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And that that was one of these aims of, of making this podcast so accessible to everyone that.

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Uh, we wanted it to be plain for everyone to see that just because you have a big job and a well-known name does not mean you've had an

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yeah.

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Exactly.

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And just reminds people that when they're in that situation, uh, I'm talking to myself here as well, for an example, recently when I was doing this sort of the ba judging panel

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and I was very nervous about doing it.

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This, that's way on my comfort zone, but actually within five minutes I'm looking around, there's a Zoom call and I noticed that.

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Everyone.

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Well, a number of people were nervous.

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They looked nervous, and that suddenly made me feel okay.

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It's like, ah, these are just humans.

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yeah.

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Not everyone is just like super confident.

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And you know, that's not the way it actually is.

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So it's about trying to realize that these people in these very,

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very senior positions are human and often battling their own demons.

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But then the opposite of this moves us onto the next

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episode is Stu Richards who, I mean, he described himself, these are not my words, as a Rudy little ginger troll from Rochdale.

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Right.

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true.

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like when he went into the industry that he didn't.

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That he just wasn't like everyone else.

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Like I think he described like looking

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around and seeing everyone looking,

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you

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know, sort of like public school, sexy, super coiffed hair and yeah, he did not feel like you fit in, but he sort of laughs in the face of that, doesn't he?

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He just, he almost enjoys

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the sort of being out of placeness that he sees in himself

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and goes, ha.

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Right.

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Yes.

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I, I am outta place, but I'll, I'll show them what I can do anyway.

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And I just love that attitude and , goes to show how different people interpret the situation or interpret the term imposter syndrome.

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Uh, yeah.

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The thing that stuck with me was when he said, to be honest, the more out of place I've felt, the more I've enjoyed myself.

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A and you think what?

Kimberly: 00:20:49

Hats off to that kind of feeling because he's just gone, well, I don't care that you don't think I belong here.

Kimberly: 00:20:54

I think it's hilarious that I'm in a lawyer's office talking like deals with you because I'm just this guy from Rochdale who blagged my setup of a company.

Kimberly: 00:21:03

I mean, if you haven't listened to the episode yet, oh my goodness, his story about the way his company is set up is, I, I can't spoil that for you, but it is brilliant.

Rosie: 00:21:12

And not many people would be able to pull that off.

Rosie: 00:21:14

Not

Rosie: 00:21:14

many people would.

Rosie: 00:21:15

No, that is that.

Rosie: 00:21:16

He's one of a kind.

Kimberly: 00:21:17

yeah.

Kimberly: 00:21:18

And then episode four, Kari, uh, I love Kari.

Kimberly: 00:21:22

She's such a warm, lovely human, and oh my goodness, her gutsy.

Kimberly: 00:21:27

Entrance into TV as a teenager in the States, I thought was epic.

Kimberly: 00:21:33

I, yeah, I, I was watching telly as a teenager.

Kimberly: 00:21:36

It was all very depressing and only reporting on the bad stuff that happens.

Kimberly: 00:21:40

So I wrote in and, uh, they gave me my own segment on the show to report stuff.

Kimberly: 00:21:47

I mean,

Kimberly: 00:21:48

mind blown

Rosie: 00:21:49

Just suddenly And she was on TV every week.

Rosie: 00:21:51

That's it.

Kimberly: 00:21:52

like, a year and, a half.

Rosie: 00:21:53

yeah, exactly.

Rosie: 00:21:54

and Carrie did not come from, you know, she talks a lot about her background as well, you know, and, and later in her career, moving into the sort of London docs world

Rosie: 00:22:03

but that, uh, she, she said something that really stuck with me that, , when she would speak to people about their Christmas holidays and people would say

Rosie: 00:22:19

You know, she, she had a difficult, family background with things actually happening, quite serious things with her family, and she was not having that time.

Rosie: 00:22:27

So I think her point is that not everyone's having a lovely time as well in their family life behind the scenes.

Rosie: 00:22:34

There's stuff going on in people's lives that you'll never have any, any idea about.

Rosie: 00:22:38

She didn't come from a background where it was handed to her by any means.

Rosie: 00:22:42

You know?

Rosie: 00:22:42

She, it's just a really, really hardworking

Rosie: 00:22:44

woman.

Kimberly: 00:22:45

Mm, she is, and she's, you know, showrunning Netflix series now, which lots of people wanna be

Kimberly: 00:22:49

doing.

Kimberly: 00:22:50

, I love the fact that she took her team to tot court road to see breakpoint on the, on the massive screen, the billboard to celebrate that.

Kimberly: 00:22:59

I thought, I wish I'd have had that at some point in my career, but I don't think I ever worked on anything big enough.

Rosie: 00:23:04

Well, but it suggests that she hasn't lost sight of the enormity of this sort of thing for people in their career.

Rosie: 00:23:09

She wanted them to see it and then back to work,

Kimberly: 00:23:12

yeah, yeah.

Kimberly: 00:23:13

Relentless.

Rosie: 00:23:13

no, she, she seems awesome.

Kimberly: 00:23:15

Yeah,

Kimberly: 00:23:17

Oh, and then, oh my goodness.

Kimberly: 00:23:18

Episode five, Phil Edgar Jones, o b e, which I have to say every time now because that becomes a whole thing that he wants to talk about.

Kimberly: 00:23:27

I dunno how many of you know his name, but he's someone that has always been in my tele head because of the end credits of Big Brother.

Kimberly: 00:23:38

He was always on the end credits being the exec producer of that for years and years.

Kimberly: 00:23:42

I worked on the second series of, big Brother's Little Brother, and he was somewhere on that massive set, as the big boss.

Kimberly: 00:23:50

So I was so thrilled to have an hour to talk to him.

Kimberly: 00:23:55

And actually he, he isn't someone that I would naturally would've approached before, to be honest.

Kimberly: 00:24:02

It goes back to the, am I gonna insult people by approaching them about, do you wanna be on a podcast about imposter syndrome?

Kimberly: 00:24:08

Um, that hasn't been out yet, so you've got nothing to benchmark it against whether it's any good.

Kimberly: 00:24:13

But he came back to me so quickly, when I sort of email pitched him saying, um, oh yeah, hi Kimberly.

Kimberly: 00:24:22

Oh, you've absolutely come to the right place if you want to talk about imposter syndrome and failure.

Kimberly: 00:24:26

And I just thought, wow.

Kimberly: 00:24:28

Okay.

Kimberly: 00:24:29

This is gonna be an interesting episode.

Kimberly: 00:24:32

What did you take away from his episode?

Rosie: 00:24:34

ah, he's my ultimate imposter syndrome sufferer, , he talked very candidly about how it impacts on his life.

Rosie: 00:24:41

He even suggested to you that like his episode would be the worst episode.

Rosie: 00:24:44

You know, is it like bleeds into everything that he does.

Rosie: 00:24:47

Like Big Brother was obviously a.

Rosie: 00:24:48

This massive high for him, but then riding on the coattails of that.

Rosie: 00:24:53

Then he went off and took a job in the States, and then it went sort of terribly wrong for him and it was like a really low point in his career.

Rosie: 00:25:01

And you know, the fact that he feels now able to talk about that.

Rosie: 00:25:04

Cause I feel like from him, he really has demonstrated how you can fight off the, that feeling of imposter syndrome and find the right place for yourself.

Rosie: 00:25:14

And like, he seems so happy now, uh, Skye, that he's just, he's found his place and so that's why I think he feels very able to sort of talk about the past feelings that he's had

Kimberly: 00:25:25

and actually I think what, what's interesting here is that there, there's obviously a reason why these very senior, well-known successful people are agreeing to unload,

Kimberly: 00:25:41

And it's because they're out the other side, or, or at least if they're not totally out of it, they have perspective over why it's happened and they are kind of,

Rosie: 00:26:01

Yeah.

Rosie: 00:26:02

, you know what, that's what I always wanted from this actually.

Rosie: 00:26:05

I wanted to find these brilliant, talented people and then figure out what the path was to that.

Rosie: 00:26:11

What were the ups and downs along the way?

Rosie: 00:26:13

What was it that led them to this?

Rosie: 00:26:15

And it's never gonna be the same kind of story as it, it's, I'm just so interested in the stories.

Rosie: 00:26:20

What is it that makes these people so brilliant?

Rosie: 00:26:24

And they probably, some of these people, like, you know, like Phil didn't feel particularly brilliant, you know, he even talked about at school he didn't do particularly well.

Rosie: 00:26:31

And then he got a sort of later in life, ADHD diagnosis, which probably was a bit of a light bulb moment for him.

Rosie: 00:26:38

It probably explained a lot of the sort of struggles he'd been through, but I guess now,

Rosie: 00:26:44

, he knows how to use that.

Rosie: 00:26:47

Like, and, and he's learnt about how to just be him and how that doesn't necessarily have to be a negative thing.

Rosie: 00:26:54

Actually.

Rosie: 00:26:55

You can use your, what you might call a weakness to be your superpower.

Rosie: 00:27:00

Somebody said that I, I think it might have been fat enough.

Rosie: 00:27:02

I was talking about how

Rosie: 00:27:03

your, your, weaknesses can be your superpower and it's, it is right, isn't it If you just, just honesty and owning things.

Rosie: 00:27:11

I mean, that's not always that simple.

Rosie: 00:27:12

I'm, I'm,

Rosie: 00:27:12

well aware of that,

Rosie: 00:27:13

but you know, I think owning issues rather than trying to hide them can sometimes

Rosie: 00:27:19

really help you become who you can be.

Kimberly: 00:27:22

I had an email from, A woman who had listened to the show to the Phil Edgar Jones episode, and she said that her son had recently had

Kimberly: 00:27:39

And it's been a stressful time for her and her partner and that actually listening to Phil talks so openly about his ADHD and how it's, it's not held him back.

Kimberly: 00:27:51

And if anything it has made him as good as he is in certain ways, surrounded by great people, has really made her feel stronger about the future of her son and what he may be able to achieve.

Kimberly: 00:28:07

And she was, um, emailing to say, thank you for that.

Kimberly: 00:28:09

And I thought just, wow.

Kimberly: 00:28:11

Because we've always wanted to reach people with these stories, but the most important thing I think is.

Kimberly: 00:28:19

Engagement with you listening and making you feel part of something and not alone anymore, and reassured by all of this.

Kimberly: 00:28:27

And to build this, a community where you can interact with us.

Kimberly: 00:28:31

And we're, we're gonna be working on that a lot more about how we can do more of that in the future.

Kimberly: 00:28:35

But I felt really humbled by that email and as an example of how, this is reaching people and how our guests being so open is really,

Rosie: 00:28:44

Yeah.

Kimberly: 00:28:44

people in a

Rosie: 00:28:45

Absolutely.

Kimberly: 00:28:47

And then onto Faraz Osman.

Kimberly: 00:28:49

Faraz Osman is a, is a real friend of talented people.

Kimberly: 00:28:52

And Rosie and I, And just a bit of an industry legend, to be honest.

Kimberly: 00:28:55

I mean, he calls himself a gobhi and he, that he just absolutely loves tele.

Kimberly: 00:29:00

This episode actually, , letting you in behind the scenes here, was our very first episode that we recorded.

Kimberly: 00:29:07

For us, as.

Kimberly: 00:29:09

Always so much to say and is very insightful about the way the industry works as a whole.

Kimberly: 00:29:16

And I think what, what I took away, from him was that separation between TV and personal life is so difficult to have, isn't it?

Kimberly: 00:29:26

When you love an industry, like we all love tv, being unable to separate it when you come home and put the tele on is quite dangerous sometimes.

Kimberly: 00:29:39

Like it seeps into every part of your being because you go to a, you know, a mate's house and they say, oh, what are you working on at the moment?

Kimberly: 00:29:45

And then you tell them, and then you get into this conversation about all the stuff that's on tv and you start thinking about things and you can't,

Kimberly: 00:29:55

And yeah, it's, it's kind of smothering.

Rosie: 00:29:58

Exactly.

Rosie: 00:29:58

People are always expecting the next idea to pop out your mouth.

Rosie: 00:30:01

You know, the next big TV format is just, it is everywhere.

Rosie: 00:30:05

He loves tv, but he loves the industry, so I, I, I wasn't surprised, but he's full of confidence for us.

Rosie: 00:30:12

I found really interested in actually when he was talking about, uh, code shifting between identities, like for him as a British Asian going into the, BBC

Rosie: 00:30:25

You know, that was

Rosie: 00:30:26

really like, like amazing to hear him say that he suddenly felt outta place

Rosie: 00:30:32

in what you would anticipate would be his community.

Rosie: 00:30:35

But he didn't.

Rosie: 00:30:36

But he'd, I think he'd been the only Asian at his school.

Rosie: 00:30:41

I think that's what he said.

Rosie: 00:30:42

So he was in a sort of all white school.

Rosie: 00:30:44

So he obviously felt very Asian in that particular environment, but then went into BC Asian unit and suddenly felt like almost the sort of whitest asian in the room.

Rosie: 00:30:55

So just not a, story that you would expect to hear, but he told it very, very well.

Rosie: 00:31:00

, I think he's felt probably like he hasn't belonged in certain jobs along the way and found himself in very sort of senior positions where he didn't feel like he had a voice.

Kimberly: 00:31:11

What a crying shame that the place where he was, where he was hired, because he could bring a different perspective to the table who then subsequently did not listen to him.

Kimberly: 00:31:23

And, they were the ones who missed out.

Kimberly: 00:31:26

Uh, but unfortunately he came away from that having an identity crisis as he put it.

Kimberly: 00:31:31

So yes, dangerous territory if you don't hire and then listen and support.

Rosie: 00:31:36

But he is a strong, strong character and he's just sort of forged his own path really, hasn't he?

Rosie: 00:31:41

And set of his own company

Rosie: 00:31:42

. Kimberly: I do find it hilarious that he blagged

Rosie: 00:31:47

Even though he has a

Rosie: 00:31:49

dog

Rosie: 00:31:49

phobia.

Rosie: 00:31:52

Yes, I mean, that's commitment to your career really, isn't it?

Rosie: 00:31:55

Well, if that's the TV job that I've

Kimberly: 00:31:57

I just need a job.

Kimberly: 00:31:59

What would your equivalent be?

Kimberly: 00:32:00

What, what program would you never want to work

Rosie: 00:32:03

Um,

Kimberly: 00:32:03

you have a dislike or phobia of.

Rosie: 00:32:05

Something like that.

Rosie: 00:32:06

Oh, okay.

Rosie: 00:32:07

Just either mice or flying, either of those things would be my utter, utter hate.

Rosie: 00:32:13

Like I

Rosie: 00:32:14

can't, can't, I, I don't think I'd, I don't think I'd been able to sort of like brush that off and just go for the job like he did with the dog program.

Rosie: 00:32:21

I think I'd just have to go.

Kimberly: 00:32:22

So, No, no SAS for you?

Rosie: 00:32:25

No, no, no.

Rosie: 00:32:28

You know, they put you into like a coffin in the ground and then there's mice and rats on you.

Rosie: 00:32:32

I would much, much prefer somebody to just dump like a poisonous

Rosie: 00:32:35

snake on my knee than a tiny

Kimberly: 00:32:37

That's ridiculous,

Rosie: 00:32:39

no problem.

Rosie: 00:32:40

No problem at stakes, none.

Rosie: 00:32:43

Mice

Kimberly: 00:32:45

But you know, mice

Kimberly: 00:32:46

can't hurt you or kill you,

Rosie: 00:32:48

No,

Kimberly: 00:32:49

snakes

Rosie: 00:32:49

I can't even think about the

Kimberly: 00:32:51

you weirdo

Rosie: 00:32:52

snakes.

Rosie: 00:32:53

Yeah, no, it's alright.

Rosie: 00:32:54

Can just grab their head.

Rosie: 00:32:55

It's

Rosie: 00:32:55

fine.

Rosie: 00:32:55

Just stop them from sort of

Kimberly: 00:32:57

My God.

Rosie: 00:32:57

mice, they're too fast.

Kimberly: 00:32:59

I don't hear that at all.

Kimberly: 00:33:02

And then we're coming more recent times with episodes now.

Kimberly: 00:33:05

So episode seven was Nicola Hill who I met, , a while back and we had, um, we had breakfast as you do in media land.

Kimberly: 00:33:16

Cause you know, people don't start, uh, work till 10.

Kimberly: 00:33:19

No, it was very early actually.

Kimberly: 00:33:20

I remember she had a busy day.

Kimberly: 00:33:21

Anyway, that aside, she was so generous with her time and we talked a lot about talented people and, her career.

Kimberly: 00:33:28

And she just has this wonderful, warm, soft but firm manor.

Kimberly: 00:33:35

And I immediately thought of her when we were making this podcast because I knew she had been in drama before she moved into facture at the garden.

Kimberly: 00:33:47

And I don't know how many people.

Kimberly: 00:33:49

Knew that, or certainly you wouldn't assume that cuz she had been at the garden for nearly 10

Kimberly: 00:33:52

years at that point.

Kimberly: 00:33:54

So I, I definitely wanted to quiz her about that, but I didn't realize how much more she was gonna have to say about her personal situation as well.

, Rosie: 00:34:03

starting at that point that move into factual, she felt like she was drowning.

, Rosie: 00:34:08

And I think she also, at the start of that change had an 18 month old toddler.

, Rosie: 00:34:14

So her life all just changed all at once . But she's so determined, isn't she?

, Rosie: 00:34:18

Like she will admit to feeling, , outta her depth, total self-doubt, throw it into this completely different world.

, Rosie: 00:34:26

But yet she is one of those people I think that just won't give in and she's just gonna fight her way through it.

, Rosie: 00:34:31

I think she's probably a bit like you.

, Rosie: 00:34:32

She just battles through it and, and gets there.

, Rosie: 00:34:36

But then yeah, she's talked to you about going through,

, Rosie: 00:34:39

a significant chunk of time with breast cancer and thinking that she'd actually be able to keep working.

, Rosie: 00:34:46

Just, just thought that, well, yeah, that like, well my life's gonna carry on.

, Rosie: 00:34:51

Didn't consider for seconds that, you know, how disruptive and horrible chemo would be.

, Rosie: 00:34:58

And so that really flawed her.

, Rosie: 00:34:59

But still, even after all of that, which we amazed me about this episode actually in her.

, Rosie: 00:35:04

She's still got this real positive outlook of life.

, Rosie: 00:35:07

She's sort of like, she's amazing and inspirational.

, Rosie: 00:35:10

Just I've got through that and I'm, I'm moving forward.

, Rosie: 00:35:14

It could really have such a detrimental effect on some people and, and rightfully

Kimberly: 00:35:19

Yep.

Rosie: 00:35:20

but she's so positive.

Rosie: 00:35:22

It's great to

Kimberly: 00:35:22

Yeah, she really is, and I can't wait to see what she does next.

Kimberly: 00:35:25

I've tried to get that out of her

Kimberly: 00:35:26

and she wouldn't tell me.

Kimberly: 00:35:28

She's just too good.

Kimberly: 00:35:29

She's, she's signed all the things probably.

Kimberly: 00:35:31

She probably wrote all the contracts, signed them as well.

Kimberly: 00:35:34

She wasn't gonna preach that.

Kimberly: 00:35:37

But actually, I don't know if you're okay to talk about this, but hearing Nicola say that about work and her serious illness, did it take you back to when you got really ill last year?

Rosie: 00:35:51

Yes.

Rosie: 00:35:51

Yeah.

Rosie: 00:35:52

Yeah.

Rosie: 00:35:52

I mean, I mean, what is it now?

Rosie: 00:35:54

This is probably 18 months ago now that I just went through a period of months where I.

Rosie: 00:36:00

Oh my.

Rosie: 00:36:01

It was horrible.

Rosie: 00:36:01

My heart suddenly went crazy.

Rosie: 00:36:04

Like literally every time I moved, my heart would go up to like 180 beats per minute, and I couldn't breathe properly and I couldn't do anything.

Rosie: 00:36:13

So I'd stopped working six months and it just came out of nowhere.

Rosie: 00:36:16

Who knows what it was?

Rosie: 00:36:17

Was it a virus?

Rosie: 00:36:18

What?

Rosie: 00:36:18

But it, yeah.

Rosie: 00:36:20

Yes.

Rosie: 00:36:21

Hearing Nicola really made me think about that because you just said, you know, you're just moving along through life one moment, and then something can completely hit you out of nowhere.

Rosie: 00:36:30

Even a, you know, a, a healthy, healthy person that keeps himself well and eats well and exercises, but it can still happen.

Rosie: 00:36:37

And how it just made me think about how awful it is to have everything taken away from you for an amount of time.

Rosie: 00:36:44

You know, I too, at the beginning, thought I've just gotta find a way of working.

Rosie: 00:36:49

I've just gotta find a way of doing this.

Rosie: 00:36:51

And it's very hard when it's your business as well, and you own it with another person to have to say to that other person.

Rosie: 00:36:57

I can't do this anymore.

Rosie: 00:36:59

I have to stop for a while, you know, not just for a couple of weeks, for a while.

Rosie: 00:37:04

That was really, really hard.

Rosie: 00:37:06

And then just have to sort of sit there in your house.

Rosie: 00:37:08

Ill dark.

Rosie: 00:37:11

Do you know what I mean?

Rosie: 00:37:12

Those thoughts in your head for months.

Rosie: 00:37:14

It's,

Kimberly: 00:37:16

really horrible.

Kimberly: 00:37:17

And You love work, don't you?

Kimberly: 00:37:20

I I I have to kick you off.

Kimberly: 00:37:22

Sometimes when you're still on really late at night, you love it.

Kimberly: 00:37:26

so without that work, in the same way that Nicola said, I have to stop even though I don't want to.

Kimberly: 00:37:33

Must have been terrible,

Rosie: 00:37:35

yeah, no, it, it is, it was

Kimberly: 00:37:38

cuz then you are only left alone with your thoughts, aren't you?

Kimberly: 00:37:40

And you don't have that other thing to, to love and be passionate about and commit to and be busy with.

Rosie: 00:37:45

but then also you have a, you know, the guilt that comes with that, that everyone says you shouldn't feel guilt.

Rosie: 00:37:50

You just do I was worried about me, like super worried about me.

Rosie: 00:37:54

I was also really worried about you.

Rosie: 00:37:56

Cause I just could see, like, I could imagine all the time how it must have felt to just be like, abandoned by your partner and thinking about God, what if it was me?

Rosie: 00:38:07

What if she went, I was sick and I

Rosie: 00:38:08

was left on my own.

Rosie: 00:38:09

It's just, it's just really, really hard to watch that and not be able to help

Kimberly: 00:38:14

It was a tough patch, but we, we worked out and the most important thing was health.

Rosie: 00:38:20

it's a reminder.

Rosie: 00:38:20

And I'm sure it was a massive reminder for Nicola as well, that literally your health is

Rosie: 00:38:25

everything.

Kimberly: 00:38:26

Um, okay.

Kimberly: 00:38:27

And that moves us onto our final episode, which is an absolutely lovely Jan Genesis who has.

Kimberly: 00:38:34

Got officially the best name in the whole of the

Kimberly: 00:38:37

industry

Rosie: 00:38:38

well as discussed on the episode next to your name,

Rosie: 00:38:43

Kimberly Godbolt.

Kimberly: 00:38:44

and Jan Genesis.

Rosie: 00:38:45

there was there was times, there was times when we first set up the company where I was worried that you might start using your married name, I was like,

Rosie: 00:38:53

she can't, I won't

Rosie: 00:38:55

let her.

Rosie: 00:38:55

She can't.

Rosie: 00:38:57

I didn't

Rosie: 00:38:57

want you to.

Rosie: 00:38:58

I love Godbolt.

Rosie: 00:38:59

It's a brilliant name.

Rosie: 00:39:00

So yes, Genesis,

Rosie: 00:39:01

also epic.

Rosie: 00:39:03

You're obviously going to be someone if your name is Jan Genesis.

Rosie: 00:39:07

I

Kimberly: 00:39:07

you can't, I don't think you could just work in Tescos, no offense to all the very hardworking people of Tescos, but Jan Genesis on a name badge.

Kimberly: 00:39:15

I just don't think, he doesn't sit right with me.

Kimberly: 00:39:18

He needs to be multi-cam director Supreme, which he is.

Rosie: 00:39:22

he does.

Rosie: 00:39:23

I loved hearing about where he came from and his single parent upbringing they just realized early on that mom's not gonna be able to get me that bit of work experience that I need.

Rosie: 00:39:31

It was nothing that they were gonna be led into . They had to work for this on their own and head into this industry through their own merit

Rosie: 00:39:40

entirely.

Rosie: 00:39:41

, he talked about being promoted very, very quickly and then fighting against the people around him who probably thought he's this young kid who's like suddenly managing us.

Rosie: 00:39:51

But he, he had the spirit and the fight to be able to push on through that and become who he has today.

Kimberly: 00:39:58

I can totally see how

Kimberly: 00:40:00

he won over, 65 year old Dave, the Soundy.

Kimberly: 00:40:04

I can just see it because he would've been like, okay.

Kimberly: 00:40:08

I'll figure out who his kids are, what football team he supports, what he likes to do, and we'll find some common ground and we'll break those barriers down.

Kimberly: 00:40:15

When he was talking about being made redundant and signing on, for job seekers allowance, that really hit home with me because I, I

Kimberly: 00:40:27

Whilst I was looking for work, I needed to earn something or get something from somewhere.

Kimberly: 00:40:32

And everything he described about the person there interviewing him, asking him for, uh, what sort of jobs he wanted, and him saying, well, I, you know, I'm a multi-camera director.

Kimberly: 00:40:42

I'm looking for studio stuff.

Kimberly: 00:40:43

I might consider vision mixing.

Kimberly: 00:40:45

And then looking at him going

Rosie: 00:40:47

He can imagine it.

Kimberly: 00:40:49

can you just, can you be realistic, please?

Kimberly: 00:40:51

We've got factory jobs and we've got this jobs.

Kimberly: 00:40:53

And he was like, that's almost like being transported back to like imposter syndrome again.

Kimberly: 00:40:58

I'd, I'd fought and and done a brilliant job for like seven years as a director at this point.

Kimberly: 00:41:02

And now you are telling me to be realistic.

Kimberly: 00:41:04

I mean, it made me remember that too.

Kimberly: 00:41:05

You had to, I remember having to kind of pretend or fill out the stuff that I had done.

Kimberly: 00:41:11

On this form, when really all I was doing was tapping up talent managers like you at that point.

Kimberly: 00:41:16

And asking everybody I knew for a job, and I knew it would come from somewhere at some point, but it was never gonna come from a jobs board at the job center.

Kimberly: 00:41:24

Yeah.

Kimberly: 00:41:24

I had to do that anyway.

Kimberly: 00:41:25

I thought that was very relevant for the market at the moment with so many people looking for work and that that would really resonate and how his spirit lifted

Kimberly: 00:41:39

So I, yeah, the themes of his f are just really, really great.

Rosie: 00:41:44

He's an impressive guy.

Kimberly: 00:41:46

I can't believe we've come through eight episodes now of the imposter club and this is your bonus nine.

Kimberly: 00:41:54

Uh, but we are looking ahead to what's next.

Kimberly: 00:41:56

And we are really excited to do more of the same, but we'd love to hear from you.

Kimberly: 00:42:02

If, if you have any feedback or anything that you want to hear more of, we're very open to, hearing what you've enjoyed, what kinds of stories, resonate with you.

Kimberly: 00:42:11

And you can always contact us, via theimposterclub.com and you can email us hello@theimposterclub.com.

Kimberly: 00:42:18

, but , what do you think's next for series two?

Kimberly: 00:42:20

Rosie?

Kimberly: 00:42:21

What would you like to do more of, do you think?

Rosie: 00:42:24

There's loads of people that I think, you know, I've probably written you emails over there again about guests that I foresee for the future, maybe looking really big,

Rosie: 00:42:33

I mean, I think I know who your dream guest is.

Rosie: 00:42:36

does everybody know who kimberly's

Rosie: 00:42:38

Dream guest is?

Kimberly: 00:42:39

Can you guess?

Kimberly: 00:42:41

Do I talk about it enough in the, I I don't think I do actually.

Kimberly: 00:42:44

I think I need to start threading it through so I can provide evidence to his agent that I really do love him

Kimberly: 00:42:50

and I'm not some sort of crazy stalker.

Rosie: 00:42:52

the word Hamilton is used a

Kimberly: 00:42:54

The word Hamilton is used a lot.

Kimberly: 00:42:57

Actually on the website, I wrote in my bio that it is my ultimate goal to have Lin Manuel Miranda on as a guest.

Kimberly: 00:43:04

So I've, I've just stated it that I think I'm a big believer, as you know, Rosie, of speaking things into existence.

Kimberly: 00:43:10

So the more I say, I'm going to have Lin Manuel Miranda on the show as a guest, the more likely it will happen.

Rosie: 00:43:17

It'll happen, it'll happen.

Rosie: 00:43:18

I mean, look at the guests we've had already so far, but I just think I, wants to find more of these just brilliant people and to just hear their story to the greatness that they are today.

Rosie: 00:43:31

I just think you're a very natural presenter and you make people feel, feel very at ease and ready to spill all of their deepest, darkest thoughts.

Rosie: 00:43:39

So,

Kimberly: 00:43:40

tell me your deepest, darkest thoughts.

Rosie: 00:43:43

oh, wow.

Rosie: 00:43:43

You know, told you a few of them already.

Rosie: 00:43:45

I think

Kimberly: 00:43:46

Well, I'm very impressed.

Kimberly: 00:43:47

I'm very impressed that you've, Come and chatted through stuff with me on this,

Kimberly: 00:43:51

Right.

Kimberly: 00:43:51

Well, I think, uh, what I want to tell you, the listener to do right now, tell your peers, friends, network about the imposter club.

Kimberly: 00:43:59

give them a personal recommend, right?

Kimberly: 00:44:01

Everybody loves a personal recommend of a podcast.

Kimberly: 00:44:04

The more people we can get listening , the more people we can reach to help not feel alone, to pick up, advice and tips on how to get through difficult patches in this industry.

Kimberly: 00:44:14

And let's face it, it is pretty lonely if you're a freelancer.

Kimberly: 00:44:18

But it's also lonely if you are a boss because you've got to that point where you are the, you know, you are the top of the triangle.

Kimberly: 00:44:25

Who have you got to talk to?

Kimberly: 00:44:26

, and to hear other people so eloquently discussing how they f have felt over these various times, I think is, is really reassuring.

Kimberly: 00:44:34

And that's what we want, we want to do.

Kimberly: 00:44:36

And we hope that you, that you stay with us for series two.

Kimberly: 00:44:39

We are also, because we are ridiculously ambitious, we have got big things planned for the Imposter club community.

Kimberly: 00:44:44

So do also sign up on the website, and, keep an eye on your inboxes because we'll in touch, , to send you highlights and other resources

Kimberly: 00:44:55

I would really like that

Kimberly: 00:44:57

. .

Kimberly: 00:45:00

I really want an imposter club t-shirt.

Rosie: 00:45:03

You can get one for yourself.

Kimberly: 00:45:04

Do you not want one?

Rosie: 00:45:07

Well,

Kimberly: 00:45:08

unbelievable.

Rosie: 00:45:09

to make You feel better

Rosie: 00:45:10

about you,

Kimberly: 00:45:11

about a mug?

Kimberly: 00:45:12

Could you do a mug?

Rosie: 00:45:14

I'd have a mug.

Rosie: 00:45:14

Yeah,

Rosie: 00:45:15

absolutely.

Kimberly: 00:45:15

All right.

Kimberly: 00:45:15

I'll ship you a mug.

Kimberly: 00:45:17

Okay,

Rosie: 00:45:18

Yeah.

Rosie: 00:45:18

Thank you

Kimberly: 00:45:20

Thank you.

Kimberly: 00:45:20

It's been so nice to talk it all through.

Rosie: 00:45:22

Yes.

Rosie: 00:45:22

Thank you for having

Kimberly: 00:45:23

How weird.

Kimberly: 00:45:24

You're kind of like a

Kimberly: 00:45:24

guest.

Kimberly: 00:45:26

All right, see you later.

Kimberly: 00:45:26

Exec producer.

Kimberly: 00:45:27

I'm gonna press

Kimberly: 00:45:28

stop.

Kimberly: 00:45:31

And that's it for this series.

Kimberly: 00:45:33

I wanted to say a huge thank you for coming on this journey with me.

Kimberly: 00:45:38

Your positive feedback has been overwhelming.

Kimberly: 00:45:42

If there's some episodes that you've missed, please do go and check them out.

Kimberly: 00:45:45

They all offer wisdom, advice and reassurance in different ways.

Kimberly: 00:45:51

And if you haven't already come and join the club via the website, theimposterclub.com.

Kimberly: 00:45:56

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Kimberly: 00:45:58

I would personally be so grateful as it helps other people who really need this content, just like you to find and trust us.

Kimberly: 00:46:08

Just a couple of lines and a star rating would be epic.

Kimberly: 00:46:12

Thank you so much for listening and I can't wait to bring you the next series just as soon as it's ready.

Kimberly: 00:46:18

See you soon.